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S5 - E4: The Ethical Maze of AI and Politics in the Modern Web
As AI takes the wheel in the political sphere, steering public perspective in unforeseen directions. The digital age has ushered in an era where counterfeits and truths are interwoven so tightly that distinguishing between them is like trying to separate threads in a tapestry. We'll guide you through this complex maze, examining how AI-generated content poses ethical dilemmas and challenges our trust in the public figures it can so easily mimic. Our dialogue ventures into the art of political subtleties, dissecting the craft behind words that veil more than they reveal.
Laugh and learn with us as we contrast the autonomous intricacies of a Tesla with the unassuming charm of a '69 Chevy, illustrating the vast web of connectivity that defines our era. We'll take you down memory lane with a nostalgic nod to a turkey-drop caper from yesteryear's television, extracting humor and insight from its cultural imprint.
Join Matt and Jay for a conversation where wisdom intertwines with wit, painting a portrait of our present reality.
Hello and welcome to Foundation Nation. I'm your host, matthew Cote. Today on the podcast we're going to talk about some interesting recent goings-ons in our beautiful state and maybe even a few things going on in this amazing round thing we call home.
Speaker 2:Hello. This is Matthew Cote, with Foundation Nation, along with Jay.
Speaker 3:Hello, this is Jay Salmi, owner of Jay Technology Solutions and co-hosting today. Let's start there for Valady Matt.
Speaker 2:Are we really here or are we AI? That's what I want to know. We're not even really here. No, currently I'm at home sleeping. What are you doing? You're on Hawaiian Beach. I'm on Hawaiian Beach having fun with my wife and son. Yeah, this is an AI podcast today. Yes, being sponsored by the robotic pens that we bought last week. What do you think about AI? I mean, I know the article I was reading. Ai destabilizing the concept of truth in our election is that? That's definitely possible, right? I've already seen weird AI things happening on TV and I could tell there's something wrong with their face and they're famous people promoting stuff and then later on that famous person's like I didn't do that, I didn't promote that, that wasn't me, it was the plausible deniability.
Speaker 3:So when what?
Speaker 2:First of all, what the hell is.
Speaker 3:AI, artificial intelligence. It's like you know, I've heard of chapter GBT, right? Yes, kind of the same thing. You can request or ask things and it'll come up with the information. Artificial intelligence is taking the information it has access to and it comes up with what it thinks you want. Okay, right, does the internet?
Speaker 2:lie. I think that's all it is right.
Speaker 3:No, no, no. This is a simple yes or no question. Does the internet lie?
Speaker 2:So you know, the theory is if it can it yes. The answer is no.
Speaker 3:The internet doesn't lie. The internet never lies. It's the people that put the information on the internet that lies Got it. That's like saying a book lies.
Speaker 2:Yeah, On a table maybe.
Speaker 3:Ah, yes, all right Dad joke, yes, the whole dad joke, oh God. So when you really get down to brass fruits, the internet does not lie. Okay, I agree.
Speaker 3:It's the information put into the internet, right, like? Will a child lie about what color yellow is? Yeah, not really. Because if you tell a child, this is yellow, this is red, this is blue, yellow, red, blue, yeah, if that yellow is actually red and blue is actually green, they're lying, right, because they're given wrong information. Sure, same thing with the internet. You give wrong information on the internet, people will think it's true, right? So AI is just another form of that, in my opinion.
Speaker 2:So people are using AI to lie? Is that what you're?
Speaker 3:saying yeah, people use anything and everything to lie, yeah, yeah, I just.
Speaker 2:You know, if I was a, I guess there's a lot of things, but if I was a movie actor and they were making fake of me to promote products, that would be, you know, that would suck right Because that would devalue your face and your acting and your career. That'd be very scary.
Speaker 3:But then the recourse is how do you prove it was a lie? Yeah, because you got you with technology and everyone learning things so quickly and easily these days, uh-huh, you know, you have so many things and you who wouldn't really know, you'd really have to find someone who's a pro, who's a guru, whatever word you want to use at that, to figure out if it had been fake.
Speaker 2:Oh sure yeah.
Speaker 3:You've seen Tango and Cash, right? Yeah, yeah, Talking about a movie from ages ago right, yeah, that was a great movie. So in there, the Tango and Cash were set up Right, there was a tape of their recording with their voices. Right, they were given an expert to validate if that tape was an actual factual recording. Right, he said, yes, it's real. Yeah, he was the one who faked it. Yeah, so you just I mean it's been going on for, and then they're on the run.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's been going on for decades with faking digital or even taped information. Sure, this is just a new platform for it, right, yeah, so destabilizing the political concept? Oh my goodness, that is a. When has political construct not been destabilized?
Speaker 2:by something you know and I feel like the rule to be in politics is you're the best salesman there ever, the best bullshitter there ever was. You know, I mean it's just the craziest thing. It's like very close to being a weatherman. Yeah, it's going to rain tomorrow. It doesn't rain, it's sunny. He still has got a job. You know, politicians are right up there. You know, it's just they should be thankful every day for their jobs. Honestly, I mean, it's just say one thing and do something completely different.
Speaker 3:I mean, who believes any politician anymore when they say no new taxes or we will not raise taxes, right, so no new taxes. They kept their word, they just raised taxes, the existing ones went to the real.
Speaker 3:When they say no, we will not raise taxes. They did not raise any taxes, they added new ones, Right? So there is truth in what they say to a certain extent, Right, Right? So if a politician says no new taxes and we will not raise taxes, that's going to throw a red flag in my book anyway you know lying.
Speaker 2:You know there's one, there's many forms of lying, but omission a lot of people don't feel like that's lying. Omission, you know like. So I know something about the facts that I've told you that make it not accurate. But I'm not telling that to you, right, and that's kind of like. That's kind of the game politicians plays. They know the whole story, they give you 98% of it, but the 2% changes the whole goddamn story. Right, you know, and that's kind of like how I look at politicians and the way they operate. You know, it's just right on the edge of just enough, but not enough, you know. And then I don't know, but now you got this, this new, you got a bunch of old guys. You know, in politics, politician-y shit, whatever the politics.
Speaker 3:Where did you come up with that? They're amazing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so the world of politics has old guys and a very high tech scenario inserted into the, you know, the election world, right? So I mean, what it makes me think? It makes me think was that shit with Trump and the Russian and the election Did that? Maybe there was something there that kind of went a little kooky when he got elected, you know, as far as like computer-y stuff, you know and and all that, but I don't, I don't. I mean, if they're so worried about it, just go back to paper ballots. Why do we even do electricity?
Speaker 3:We can't count paper ballots correctly. Do not remember from-. No, I know, yeah.
Speaker 2:I know. But maybe we just make the areas small. You know, make more areas of ballots. You know so like per 100,000, you know so like this area can collect 100,000 ballots and that's it. And then you go to another area and that area can collect and then you have enough workforce to count them, or something along those lines. You know kind of like break it into smaller pockets or pieces or something, I don't know. But if it's so goddamn important, I feel like they could do it a different way. But you know, when there's a when there's a better way, and they don't do it, it makes me wonder like how is what? Is what the hell is going on? You know.
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Speaker 2:I do think the there is probably a way to where we should be able to vote on our phones, and if they could get that locked down and truthful, you know to where we can go and vote for everybody on an app on our phone and that's like really safe, that would be great. It would get more people voting and then we'd actually have more of what everyone wants. That's the goal, right. You want everybody to vote.
Speaker 3:Want everybody to vote, but you cannot make everybody happy.
Speaker 2:No, no, you can't, but so AI wants to. What Like? Who's running AI in this world right now? Who's got their fingertips on AI? I read recently Elon Musk said himself that he currently knows more information in one head than anybody in the world in the history of the world Because of you know kind of how he's operating life and what he has at his resources to kind of see how the world's working and stuff. But who's got their? Who's got their? Is somebody controlling? Is it one, a team, a lot a?
Speaker 3:company. You know, I really have not looked into that, but I highly doubt it's just one person or one team. I'm sure it's a collective amount of intelligent.
Speaker 1:I used the word loosely.
Speaker 3:There's a whole team of people disperse all across the world. It's not just someone in Nebraska or something you know. Right, right, there's gonna be people collaborating and doing things all around the world, all the different countries, yeah, working on it and trying to make it better and make it work. Yeah, the unfortunate part is you're always gonna have someone that doesn't put information incorrectly or goes rogue. Yeah, you're always gonna go on rogue. Right, it's a sad story, but it's true.
Speaker 2:You know what it kind of reminds me. Did you by any chance see Oppenheimer? Watch that movie? No, yeah, well, so it's about, you know, it's about the creation of the Nika bomb atomic bomb, okay, and it kind of leads all the way up to all the smart minds, einstein and all these guys getting together building a base in California or somewhere and then eventually at the end dropping bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima, you know, and End of the War and stuff, and it's just I kind of compare the AI movement to that. You know, a lot of smart people coming together doing something really good, but the outcome is kind of sort of scary. Yeah, I don't know if that's you know, I'm just kind of waiting for the internet to go out. I feel like that's our next big thing the internet goes out. How are you gonna do credit card processing, you know, and pay your bills?
Speaker 3:The internet goes out and the world is messed up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So I kind of feel like we're not prepared for that. And that's the next big, you know kind of shake the society is gonna get, at least in the United States. Right, you know you can have all the bug out equipment and bullets and guns and bottles of milk and shit, but when the internet goes out it's gonna be. You know, that's our primary communication area there. So I'm curious to see how it's all gonna go down when the internet goes out.
Speaker 3:But Can you imagine if the internet went out and then all these cars that depend on the internet in order to do anything? Yeah, I'm not just talking electric cars, right, I'm talking even gas guzzlers. Yeah, they still need information from the internet, maybe not to drive daily, but to work on them. Yeah, you need information, you know so when they break down, you need that.
Speaker 2:Well, maybe they have something in them that goes like internet goes out, you go back to the factory. Maybe that's in them. I bet Elon did that. Internet goes out worldwide for more than two days. All Tesla's report back to the factory, right Holy shit.
Speaker 3:Then one of my two cars will just be gone, yeah.
Speaker 2:And where are you going, young man?
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly, I'm going back to daddy yeah, there's, you know. Our other car, as I said before, is a 69 Chevalt. Yes, so who cares if the internet or anything goes?
Speaker 2:out. Yeah, she's working.
Speaker 3:You just fire it up and go.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, just like my 72 Chevy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, exactly, is that a?
Speaker 2:thing Screwdriver, gas and air.
Speaker 3:that's all I need, yeah yeah, exactly, there's something nostalgic about it, yeah.
Speaker 4:And.
Speaker 3:I understand, not everyone is a DIY person or works on cars or does anything with their hands. I get that, but you know, when the rarity that I work on that Cheval, yeah, you feel connected, yeah, and that's the thing, and it's real. Yeah, that is is such in theiada, in welcome and message Okay, a fake, real Right, so it's real information. If you give it real, factual information, what are the still faith, so what?
Speaker 2:are the top, let's go. Let's go. Four things Top two things that can do negatively. Top two things that can do positively in your opinion.
Speaker 3:Negatively. Oh, it could ruin someone for life in a heartbeat. Yeah, because of wrong information, yeah. Another thing and do negatively is um, oh my goodness, so many people look up information to diagnose themselves when they're not feeling well. Oh yeah, oh my goodness. So not only are you not feeling well, but then you find out that you're dying, yeah, and then you go to the doctor and say I got all this going on in the internet. Oh yeah, ai says I'm dying because of this. And the doctor looks at you and goes you have a cold?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Take an aspirin. Go to bed.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's various versions of a cold and some of the symptoms, you know so. But for positively, um, it can help you write an essay.
Speaker 2:Oh, I can write a story.
Speaker 3:So it can help you. You can say I need information on the war of 1812. Okay, which, there are two of them. Yeah, so the war of 1812, you know, and it's sort of giving you information, yeah, you know. And then another positive thing is, hey, I need information on how to um book a vacation to the Caribbean. Oh, yeah, you know, and you say, hey, I'm looking for this, this and this, and then boom, it starts by relating information.
Speaker 2:So if I wanted it to create an itinerary for a vacation, could it?
Speaker 3:do that. I don't know if it can do that per se, but it can give you a lot of information on itineraries. Okay, now, keep in mind, people are part of the internet. People are putting the information in. So when you get the information, be smart about what you're reading and you know, think about it.
Speaker 2:Can these things do math. Can it do math? Oh yeah, yeah, I can do math. Okay, that's cool.
Speaker 3:Shoot, you can ask your phone right now to do a math equation and it'll pop off the answer for you, and it'll be accurate.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that's cool, that's cool. Well, what are you looking forward to this month?
Speaker 3:January. Let's see. Um, personally, just I don't know. You know I'm in Taekwondo and I just took my next belt test. Are you a?
Speaker 2:Taekwondo bird.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 3:Remember those from Ice Age.
Speaker 1:Taekwondo ninjas.
Speaker 3:Taekwondo, but I should be getting my next belt here in the next week or two.
Speaker 2:So you have to do form and test. I already did it, you already did it, so you're just waiting around.
Speaker 3:I'm just waiting for my belt to show up and get the certificate, so I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 2:That's cool, good job.
Speaker 3:Congratulations. But what I'm? I brought that up as a prequel. What I'm really looking forward to is I help out in the beginner classes for the kids. Oh, okay, and you wind up being vested when you help them, right.
Speaker 2:Oh sure.
Speaker 3:I've been helping for over six months now and I can. I'm still going to continue doing it and I'm looking forward to when they get their belts.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, because seeing your students succeed is really Seeing the ones that I help.
Speaker 3:They're not my students.
Speaker 4:They're my students, but people you helped.
Speaker 3:But I help people. I help them, see them succeed and actually get their next belt. That's cool. And there's probably about a dozen of them that are getting their yellow belts, which means they come into the class my son's in now. Oh that's cool. They move up to the next level of classes. That's cool. So that'll be neat. So I won't be helping them, but I'll still see them twice a week. That's cool, that's cool.
Speaker 3:So that's what I'm looking forward to. That's so many people measure success with money, career right, you know, whatever, and you know what? I'm still old school. Yeah, success can be measured in family, right, and leaving a legacy. Yep, and I'm not just talking money and business and everything Right, right, you know. And I find success not only in what I do with my family, yeah, but now that I'm part of a dojo you know where we're. Do, take one dough. I feel success in helping the younger kids, oh, yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, that's a super positive thing, yeah.
Speaker 3:It's it brings, brings a smile to my face and heart. Yeah, no, that's great. That's great. What are you looking forward to this month?
Speaker 2:Skiing and going to see my son on the base Nice, which base? He's a Wright Patterson.
Speaker 4:Cincinnati.
Speaker 2:Cincinnati.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's, I think it's KRP.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah. If you watch that episode, do you ever see the episode where the turkeys fall from the sky?
Speaker 3:Oh, I'm sure I have, but it's been a while, Dude watch that episode.
Speaker 2:That shit is funny. Those guys, the radio guys driving around the city in Cincinnati and turkeys start falling out of the sky and the guy that's thrown the turkeys out didn't know the turkeys can't fly and they're just like bam, bam, dead turkeys everywhere and he's like I had no idea they couldn't fly.
Speaker 3:So funny. So funny stuff you can't do nowadays, I know, without getting in serious trouble. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think those might have been a couple of real turkeys there. I hope not. Yeah, so all right. Well, I'm Matthew Cote. This is Foundation Nation.
Speaker 3:Jay Solme, nice to have this chat again today, matt. All right, see you guys.
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